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Sunday, 18 November 2012
Finally: women on women bishops
I suspect some people are going to have apoplexy watching this. Still, you've got to love the opening. I might just edit that bit and keep it as a clip -- if you'll pardon the pun.
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No apoplexy from me. It is a well done piece.
ReplyDeleteBut what a curious situation it evidences. Women allowed to speak when they agree that, and are prepared to say in effect that they should not be allowed to speak/lead ... when they agree, in fact, with the men whose God-given job it is, apparently, to lead them. What I hear is not godly submission but ungodly subjugation. Just depends which ears you have on. Ho hum.
simon
DeleteOr women putting God at the centre of their lives. First commandedment stuff Simon.
Because when we take over the driving seat and kick God out, everything works so well. Like in the Anglican Churches in US and Canada.
Phil
You might be right, Phil. None of us will actually know this side of glory. And then it won't matter anymore, praise God.
ReplyDeleteIt is a curious situation - I would like to think that it is also a sign that they recognise that the Bible contains a number of references to then current social and legal practices which are simply unacceptable. A simplistic statement perhaps, but wouldn't our Church be a more harmonious and bigger place if we could focus on the message, rather than pedantically interpret the word?
ReplyDeleteOf course, the devil is in distinguising "the message" from "the word"....
DeleteDan
The Word is The Message, and The Message is The Word.
ReplyDeleteExactly Dominic - in complete contrast to everyone who talks as though the Gospel were somehow pitched against the Bible!
ReplyDeleteDan
Er, like who?
DeleteLike anyone who says about anything Biblical, "Don't worry about that, that's divisive, just preach the Gospel". We've heard it a hundred times if once.
ReplyDeleteNot on.
Dan
Thought people might like this:
ReplyDeletehttp://tanyamarlow.com/on-women-bishops/
An excellent comment from someone in favour of women bishops but who does not want it at the cost of those against leaving.
Well, that's the mission to England over and done with. We've just explained to the world that, whilst the majority of ordinands are women, we're fine with that so long as they don't take the top jobs.
ReplyDeleteI have close friends who wanted to continue to reject women in the episcopate, what was on offer allowed for that. But instead, we have collectively branded Christianity as a throwback to the pre-Victorian age.
The only hope for evangelism now - oddly - must be that Parliament over-rules Synod.
Please can people stop implying that the point of having bishops is to boost the ego of those who hold such a post. Being a bishop is not about having a 'top job'.
DeleteFor even the Son of man did not come to be served, but to serve...
Simon Wadsley, Cambridge
Anonymous
ReplyDelete"The only hope for evangelism now - oddly - must be that Parliament over-rules Synod"
You are joking right?
Read about the "Committee for Public Safety" from Revolutionary France and be careful what you wish for. We virtually have "1984" in Britain already.
Phil
Anonymous, I think we can have rather more confidence in the risen Lord Jesus.
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