tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post3328441072340710412..comments2024-03-28T08:30:20.260+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: Next for REFORM: 'time to feel the FORCE'Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-91368899143855755112008-07-12T12:34:00.000+02:002008-07-12T12:34:00.000+02:00Dear TimYou posted the same thing three times I th...Dear Tim<BR/><BR/>You posted the same thing three times I think. I've temporarily deleted two. If I left the wrong one up, let me know.<BR/><BR/>FOCA is interesting, isn't it? It is now being chaired, as far as I am aware, by Archbishop Kije (formerly a Russian Lieutenant).<BR/><BR/>As to Synod decision, it is extraordinary that almost 90% of respondents to the Church Times poll think it was wrong! That raises significant questions about the future, since all this legislation apparently has to come back to diocesan synods (so I understand, anyway).<BR/><BR/>The lack of Reform C parishes and Conservative PEVs is not quite a 'chicken and egg' problem. Reform were told a while ago the lack of C parishes was the reason there were no bishops for them. The answer is simple, it just needs a push.<BR/><BR/>As to a suitable suffragan applying the code of practice, all one can say is what code, when, and how? And, of course, why wait until then when you can do C now - indeed, will you look to that suffragan then if you won't do C now?<BR/><BR/>This would indeed represent a real attempt at 'change from within'. Of course diocesan bishops won't like it. They have liked it less and less since 1993 when parishes have passed C. But this just shows why a 'Code of Practice' will be even worse. Do you think bishops will like being asked to come down and sort out the code's application if they don't like people passing C?<BR/><BR/>The point is not whether bishops like it, but whether it is ecclesially coherent. The existing provisions have worked pretty well, actually. The Church hasn't fallen apart because of <I>them</I>. Yet there have been people like GRAS determined to overturn them - and who now seem to be successful.<BR/><BR/>But whilst the legislation is still in place (and that could last another five or six years) it is worth going down this route.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-32994202184599204232008-07-12T12:22:00.000+02:002008-07-12T12:22:00.000+02:00Thank you Robin, those resolutions can all be foun...Thank you Robin, those resolutions can all be found <A HREF="http://www.ebbsfleet.org.uk/resolutions.htm" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-79412634060264357102008-07-12T00:38:00.000+02:002008-07-12T00:38:00.000+02:00It would be helpful for your overseas readers to p...It would be helpful for your overseas readers to post the text of Section C since we are not familiar with that particular piece of legislation. It also would give readers in the UK an opportunity to refamiliarize themselves or familiarize themselves for the first time with its provisions. <BR/><BR/>My location is western Kentucky, in the United States. I am a regular overseas reader of your weblog and frequently post links to entries on your weblog from my own <I>Anglicans Ablaze</I>.Robin G. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09511384478845569163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-9207974825412714862008-07-11T20:11:00.001+02:002008-07-11T20:11:00.001+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tim Goodbodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02725035540031649887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-51617850427374735632008-07-11T20:11:00.000+02:002008-07-11T20:11:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tim Goodbodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02725035540031649887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-23200818744615233772008-07-11T20:10:00.000+02:002008-07-11T20:10:00.000+02:00Dear John,One thing I'll give you is that your acr...Dear John,<BR/>One thing I'll give you is that your acronym is a lot more zingy(and a lot less open to ridicule) than Foca.<BR/>I happen to believe Synod's decision was the right one (even if they got there by a route many have not been happy with). <BR/>I think that there are perhaps 2 problems with the idea of FORCE. <BR/><BR/>Firstly, not many Reform parishes will particularly enjoy the oversight of a Anglo-Catholic Bishop - perhaps that's why more of them haven't voted in Resolution C. There aren't enough sufficiently conservative evangelical flying bishops to cover the (admittedly small but widespread) whole Reform parish grouping. Wouldn't it be better to hope for a good local suffragan's cover under the code?<BR/><BR/>So, secondly, I feel there is little point hanging all your hopes on a resolution that will cease to exist when the code of practice comes in to effect.<BR/><BR/>It is a universal truth that to change a system, you have to be part of it (the incarnation of Jesus being the primary example). I have little truck with the theology of Reform but at least they have set out with the aim of changing (reforming) the church from within. Opting for Resolution C oversight at the moment (and goodness knows how much longer this will be for) basically sends a message to your diocesan saying "forget it, mate" which is hardly conducive to getting him to change his mind about anything.Tim Goodbodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02725035540031649887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-7241739252143052632008-07-11T17:52:00.000+02:002008-07-11T17:52:00.000+02:00I thought the Church Times poll was interesting to...I thought the Church Times poll was interesting too. I have voted, and count myself as one of the 92%. This does not mean I am against women bishops, but that I believe that synod went for the wrong option. As this was not an option on the Church Times poll, I had to vote "no"<BR/><BR/>I would imagine I'm not the only one who's done that.Simon Heronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06379501486465322644noreply@blogger.com