tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post8812298507574227721..comments2024-03-28T08:30:20.260+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: What would Jesus teach?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-19222002996764447872009-07-24T16:11:28.480+01:002009-07-24T16:11:28.480+01:00John: yes, I knew John Goldingay (now in Fuller) w...John: yes, I knew John Goldingay (now in Fuller) was for many years at St John's Seminary, Nottingham. I'm sure he would go a long way beyond the simple moralizing of Garth Hewitt, but I don't know if he ever worked out the links between the Testaments. <br />As well, when aporias and discontinuities are highlighted, greater diversity can enter the picture. I have Goldingay's commentary on Isaiah and have dipped into it, but I don't think he reads it in a specifically *Christian way.<br />Another oddity is that Goldingay goes to extraordinary linguistic lengths to avoid saying 'he' and 'his' with reference to Yahweh.<br /><br />Mark B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-80673406739553867392009-07-24T09:57:59.773+01:002009-07-24T09:57:59.773+01:00Shaun, I still have the notes from that study some...Shaun, I still have the notes from that study somewhere (can't find them right now, but I've seen them!).<br /><br />What Phillip gave us was a summary of Graham Goldsworthy's <i>Gospel and Kingdom</i>. He also recommended Edmund Clowney's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Preaching-Biblical-theology-Edmund-Clowney/dp/B0007EH430" rel="nofollow"><i>Apostolic Preaching and Biblical Theology"</i></a>.<br /><br />I went out and bought both, and was even more gob-smacked. As a result, I wrote my own <a href="http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/Get-into-the-Bible-gb_186/" rel="nofollow"><i>Get into the Bible</i></a>, which was targetted at the student audience I was then working with (it was originally produced as a photocopied and stapled thing, at my own expense.<br /><br />I would commend any of these, thought the Clowney is hard to get hold of.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-76718599501889664582009-07-24T09:55:02.640+01:002009-07-24T09:55:02.640+01:00Thanks for this post John, I've been thinking ...Thanks for this post John, I've been thinking a lot myself about the extent to which the Old Testament is completely alien to most modern readers (especially non-Christians: one recently described it to me as the best piece of anti-Christian propaganda he could imagine, he found it so barbaric!) It's one of the things that has got me trying to make Old Testament computer games to help introduce people back to it: http://www.geero.net/bible-games.html<br /><br />Andy Gandygeershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03341272494357924978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-84426672094653286632009-07-24T09:50:04.180+01:002009-07-24T09:50:04.180+01:00Mark B, John Goldingay was one of my tutors when I...Mark B, John Goldingay was one of my tutors when I was at St John's in the 1970s. I don't think anyone then was really integrating Old and New Testaments.<br /><br />The OT was treated as a source of a 'social gospel' - Garth Hewitt's <a href="http://achurchlessfaith.blogspot.com/2009/04/valley-songs-let-justice-roll-dave.html" rel="nofollow">"People of the West"</a> was how we were taught to use Amos. There is something to this, but of course, the problem comes with where Jesus fits in - so we really wound up with literally two 'Testaments', Old for the social message, New for the spiritual message.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-40145796487809146602009-07-23T13:43:07.942+01:002009-07-23T13:43:07.942+01:00So can you share with us the content of that five ...So can you share with us the content of that five minutes from Philip Jensen?Shaun Clarksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290670832534929741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-11692077902930278022009-07-23T10:24:27.212+01:002009-07-23T10:24:27.212+01:00I've enjoyed John Goldingay's verve and st...I've enjoyed John Goldingay's verve and style but (and this may be my careless reading) I've never seen him integrate OT and NT sufficiently. But if the study of the OT isn't understood Christologically, it can depart in any number of directions and discontinuities: Judaisms, Religion of ancient Israel, even Islam.<br /><br />Mark B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-40949510274870604642009-07-23T09:55:12.825+01:002009-07-23T09:55:12.825+01:00Paul, I think it says something about both. Certai...Paul, I think it says something about both. Certainly it was Phillip's teaching, followed up by reading anything I could get my hands on from Moore College, which led me to taking a superb sabbatical year studying there for a Diploma in Theology a few years later - and it knocked spots off what I'd experienced in this country.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-20483988617903243112009-07-23T08:52:15.689+01:002009-07-23T08:52:15.689+01:00'And so Phillip explained to us how the Old Te...'And so Phillip explained to us how the Old Testament worked. And I can still remember sitting there thinking, “I’ve learned more in the last five minutes than I ever learned in all my time at theological college.” Before, I’d had a miscellaneous collection of bits, now I had something which not only made sense in itself, but led directly to the gospel.'<br /><br />I think this probably says more about your theological college than it does about Jensen.<br /><br />Paul Lewis. Bootle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-6188506717296799512009-07-22T13:46:43.225+01:002009-07-22T13:46:43.225+01:00le-havdil,
What did Ribi Yehoshua did.
To get a ve...le-havdil,<br />What did Ribi Yehoshua did.<br />To get a very comprehensive image of what Ribi Yehoshua (ha-Mashiakh; the Messiah) taught, read more than 30 years of research (in the below website) written by Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid, based on logic, archeology and first century Jewish documents.<br /><br />You will find a wealth of invaluable documented information at: www.netzarim.co.il<br /><br />Anders BranderudAnders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12590420531095058999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-25537071589612281832009-07-22T13:38:56.640+01:002009-07-22T13:38:56.640+01:00Oh, it's infallible - I think this is a case w...Oh, it's infallible - I think this is a case which calls for 'reader response' criticism!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-40657512159223583572009-07-22T13:20:56.814+01:002009-07-22T13:20:56.814+01:00"In my electronic version of NKJV that paragr..."In my electronic version of NKJV that paragraph is headed "Acts 1:3-8"."<br /><br />You mean it's not infallible??!!<br />What would St Paul say? After all, this is the version he (would have) preached from! <br /><br />Mark B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-4193188089560798732009-07-22T13:07:51.813+01:002009-07-22T13:07:51.813+01:00Mark B - silly mistake by me. In my electronic ver...Mark B - silly mistake by me. In my electronic version of NKJV that paragraph is headed "Acts 1:3-8". In my befuddled late night state, I took that literally!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-34475572039488449772009-07-22T10:29:09.099+01:002009-07-22T10:29:09.099+01:00A good post. Worth recalling at this 500th birthda...A good post. Worth recalling at this 500th birthday time that Calvin was clear that the Gospel was taught in the OT, the NT was just making the same message explicit and showing how it was fullfilled in the coming of Christ.<br />I wonder if our twentieth century custom of writing 'Old Testament Theologies' (von Rad etc) and 'New Testament Theologies' (various) has contributed to the sense of otherness of the OT for Christians.<br /><br />"This would fit exactly with the beginning of Acts.." - actually Luke 24.44-45 (cf. 24.27).<br /><br />Mark B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-47938993818881949762009-07-22T03:35:53.932+01:002009-07-22T03:35:53.932+01:00Rev. Richardson:
It may be worth a peek at www.re...Rev. Richardson:<br /><br />It may be worth a peek at www.reformationanglicanism.blogspot.com.<br /><br />Some very important book recommendations, free and downloadable through www.books.google.com as well as a developing serious of blogs on the Older Testament and Newer Testament.<br /><br />PhilipReformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06818168068978748081noreply@blogger.com