tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post8006600310954533394..comments2024-03-28T08:30:20.260+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: Teenage murderers —going up?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-35401497305484303102009-09-30T15:31:08.374+01:002009-09-30T15:31:08.374+01:00David says...
John, the Home Office used to (may ...David says...<br /><br />John, the Home Office used to (may still) have a spreadsheet of crime figures going back to about 1900 on their website. It didn't look specifically at teen crime, but still showed that the post-war success of secularism and "freedom from taboos" has been accompanied by huge increases in violent and sexual crimes (about 10 to 40 times higher than before as I remember!!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-40074968516374185272009-09-30T11:09:51.130+01:002009-09-30T11:09:51.130+01:00On the subject of improving treatments of potentia...On the subject of improving treatments of potentially fatal trauma, <a href="http://www.parliament.uk/deposits/depositedpapers/2008/DEP2008-1681.xls" rel="nofollow">this link</a> goes to an official chart of gunshot and stab wound admissions for English health authorities, affecting roughly the same age-group as the murder figures. Whilst gunshot wounds are somewhat down (and dramatically for the under-16s) in the period 2002-2006, stab wounds are up. The year-on-year figures for under-16s are:<br /><br />2002-3: 95<br />2003-4: 110<br />2004-5: 143<br />2005-6: 169Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-40458180239090316812009-09-30T10:57:41.571+01:002009-09-30T10:57:41.571+01:00A slightly scary thought that just occurred to me ...A slightly scary thought that just occurred to me is that in the period covered by these statistics, the treatment of traumatic injury has doubtless improved substantially (not least because, for example, hospitals have become more familiar with treating stab and gunshot wounds). Thus the number of cases in which people have died, and in which, therefore, there might be a murder charge, may well have been depressed by these improvements.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-75392797238981892812009-09-30T10:38:01.277+01:002009-09-30T10:38:01.277+01:00I think (developing Janice's point) that since...I think (developing Janice's point) that since the abortion legalization, and other things no doubt, the population (younger, no moral education in earkly life) has subliminally realized the message that came from the State/legislature, etc., that life is of no ultimate value, and killing is centrally sanctioned in some (why not all?) cases. I'm convinced the evils in our society come/have come from the top down, not otherwise.John Thomashttp://www.affirmingthefaith.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-77467514683540731892009-09-30T10:32:44.023+01:002009-09-30T10:32:44.023+01:00For what it is worth, and errors and omissions exc...For what it is worth, and errors and omissions excepted, by trawling through the BBC news website I have counted 44 convictions of teenagers for murder in England and Wales so far in 2009.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-37093634648470697292009-09-30T09:52:34.644+01:002009-09-30T09:52:34.644+01:00It would be interesting to work out what the numbe...It would be interesting to work out what the numbers are when expressed as a proportion of the population of 10 - 19 year olds. The Abortion Act became law in the UK in 1967 according to <a href="http://www.abortionrights.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=44" rel="nofollow">this web site</a> so it's reasonable to hypothesise that the population thereafter would contain proportionately fewer young people. <br /><br />From <a href="http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/product.asp?vlnk=6303" rel="nofollow">UK national statistics</a>: in 1981 the total population was 56,352,000 and the population of 15 - 24 year olds (its not broken down by 10 - 19 year olds) was 9,019,000 or 16%.<br /><br />By 2007 the total population was 60,975,000 and the population of 15 - 24 year olds was 7,128,000 (!) or 11.7%.<br /><br />So, using your figures (very roughly and just for the sake of argument) lets assume that in 1981 40 people out of 9,019,000 in that age group were found guilty of murder. That's 0.00044% of that age group.<br /><br />In 2007, assume there were 65 people out of 7,128,000 in that age group found guilty of murder. That's 0.00091% of that age group. That is, the rate of murder convictions in that age group has more than doubled.<br /><br />Wow! What a boon secularisation of the culture has been! [/sarcasm]Janicenoreply@blogger.com