tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post5436103874422615180..comments2024-03-28T08:30:20.260+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: Appleby feared 'respect' was 'a compromise too far'Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-72449211949236468612021-12-21T07:09:47.664+01:002021-12-21T07:09:47.664+01:00Thannk you for being youThannk you for being youAvery Bakerhttps://www.averybaker.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-38006470104857944332012-11-15T03:47:45.918+01:002012-11-15T03:47:45.918+01:00It is for the very reasons you outline, John, that...It is for the very reasons you outline, John, that I am against the measure as is. I too hold a view that I hope you and all others who are against the ordination and consecration of women to change your minds but the last thing I would want would be for someone to be able to try and force this upon you.<br />I have been in church situations far too many times the church leader has taken how the rules are written and then danced around them to make them fit their desires, or worse still make them up as they go where the rules are not defined.<br />Respect is a fine aim to have, but the Church is made up if human beings. And let's face it, if the Church of England can be set up on the whim of a king that wanted an easy divorce then it can quite easily be influenced by a group who want to forcibly remove those against women's ordained ministry to the point where respect goes out of the window!<br />I think the Yes To Women Bishops campaign speaks volumes with their "enough waiting" hashtag and sadly it speaks only to the negative.Youthpastahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01804231190378769527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-20681266554948849892012-11-14T22:08:59.913+01:002012-11-14T22:08:59.913+01:00Justin Welby said that (especially within the Chur...Justin Welby said that (especially within the Church) "the way you disagree is just as important if not more so than what you disagree about"<br /><br />Good man, well said.<br /><br />Phil<br /><br />Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-40174708345977598712012-11-14T10:35:00.459+01:002012-11-14T10:35:00.459+01:00My apologies for being away from the blog for 24 h...My apologies for being away from the blog for 24 hours. My apologies also for deleting everyone's messages to do with Ron Smith (kiwianglo).<br /><br />The reason I deleted his comment was that it was simply an <i>ad hominem</i> remark which didn't pick up on any matters of fact or issues raised in the article. It was just about me and seemed therefore to be making no point other than that. I don't think it is helpful to anyone to go around posting the sort of thing you shouldn't really say to someone's face, let alone in the emotionally cheap environment of the internet, so I thought it best simply not to have it on this blog.<br /><br />I have deleted everyone else's comments because I thought it was only fair to treat everything related with this matter equally.<br /><br />I trust people will take the hint that the issue is now closed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-8222018088349319752012-11-13T23:25:11.954+01:002012-11-13T23:25:11.954+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02145922236218479628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-65070287848950393322012-11-13T21:02:02.650+01:002012-11-13T21:02:02.650+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-33445079965573407682012-11-13T06:46:20.372+01:002012-11-13T06:46:20.372+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-12614583108594754462012-11-13T02:16:33.595+01:002012-11-13T02:16:33.595+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-26112731403559412492012-11-11T22:33:59.658+01:002012-11-11T22:33:59.658+01:00Kiwianglo, there comes a point where me old grandm...Kiwianglo, there comes a point where me old grandmother's adage has to apply. If you can't think of anything nice to say, don't say it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-13070046724737148872012-11-11T21:24:17.661+01:002012-11-11T21:24:17.661+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-672185189250317082012-11-11T00:10:48.857+01:002012-11-11T00:10:48.857+01:00The central challenge for proponents is this: &quo...The central challenge for proponents is this: "Find wording that allows for some credible protection in the short term but does not bind anyone to provide any protection in the long term." Traditionalists keep looking for some guarantee of long-term protection. Proponents keep ferreting out and removing any provision that might demand it. Which makes me wonder why Traditionalists are placing any confidence in this process at all. Words on a page mean nothing if they are not binding. Who is going to enforce the CoP? How long will it remain unmodified in any case, and this requirement to 'respect' is tossed into the same fire as 5(1)c?<br /><br />Proponents talk about how this proposal allows both sides to learn to trust each other. But the majority has no need to trust the minority for the majority can simply exercise its power. The minority is being to told to trust simply because it has no other choice. It is offered the choice of the mouse to trust the snake. But the snake must eventually obey its nature.<br /><br />carl carl jacobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05195615264891904953noreply@blogger.com