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Luke 22:29, Jesus says that he &qu...Graham (Mostly)<br />Luke 22:29, Jesus says that he "convenents" diathekai a Kingdom to his disciples, just as his Father diathekai one to him. Lots of John seems to allude to this, especially 15 & 17.<br /><br />Some Reformed/Covenant theologians actually aren't that keen on it (we wait for Prof S Walton of Marbury's work). But even without it, covenant theology still works. How else can all humanity be held accountable before God? Then the structure shapes/phases all fit together. You them get the whole idea that God binds himself to a plan and to a people. They are also bound to him & each other etc. etc.<br /><br />It's also not strictly "Reformed". Peter Lillbacks "The Binding of God", shows it's historical development goes way back.<br /><br />+Edmund... Romanism is a structural unity, not a theological one. There are no fewer theologies within the Roman Catholic Church than outside, the only difference is a (false?) unity is imposed on it. I'm far to catholic to be Catholic. To be Catholic I'd have to ditch or adopt lots of ideas that would break from from the catholics before the Catholics made things dogma.<br />Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08361261497867599745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-45960344436862229342013-11-02T12:31:59.901+01:002013-11-02T12:31:59.901+01:00Ahem, as A A Hodge put it:
"...of necessity ...Ahem, as A A Hodge put it:<br /><br />"...of necessity Romanists appeal to the Scriptures to prove that the Scriptures cannot be understood, and address arguments to the private judgment of men to prove that private judgment is incompetent".<br /><br />Some unified theory then.<br /><br />DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-7621824382364986332013-11-02T12:26:20.252+01:002013-11-02T12:26:20.252+01:00Then isn't it also true to say that we can'...Then isn't it also true to say that we can't know God as he knows *us* - and doesn't that then contradict what you said about 1 Cor. 13:12?<br /><br />What if that verse actually isn't eschatological.<br /><br />DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-26872207251961691802013-11-02T00:52:23.724+01:002013-11-02T00:52:23.724+01:00What can I say? The unified theory of which you dr...What can I say? The unified theory of which you dream is Catholicism: all Christians united under the Pope, practicing the seven sacraments, confessing one faith. There's no other theoretical or practical unification possible. Anglicanism begins with the shattering of this Faith, and then looks at the fragments (your "nature of Jesus in the kitchen drawer") and says "We meant to do that. It's so much better when it's broken, so much more interesting to puzzle over all these shards and potsherds. If you weren't such a scruffy little lout, you could make a stained-glass window out of it all." Honestly, what can Anglicanism offer that makes any real sense, and isn't retained from Rome? What can you show for this mere dynastic accommodation, persisted in through pride and sloth for five centuries? Follow your instincts and chuck it for the truth. Yes, you'll lose female clergy; but on the bright side, you'll lose female clergy! :-)<br />And please---if a commenter has no theological background, he shouldn't opine that scripture is "haphazard." That's rubbish, and all the worse when followed by "therefore." <br />As Pope Francis says: follow your conscience. I can see very well where yours wants to take you!+Edmund Campionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-87498001674940718392013-11-01T15:14:33.247+01:002013-11-01T15:14:33.247+01:00Sometimes intellectual theologians can't see p...Sometimes intellectual theologians can't see past their noses and become embroiled in the distracting miniscule issues.<br />To create a unified field of theology, two major presumptions have to be accepted as fact that is indisputable. First, that there IS a God and secondly that he made man to be his companion. After these, all else is semantic to our purpose.<br />For example, God sent his son because he knew that we could not live according to his purposes and did not want us to suffer in Hell. His original purpose was that we should live in harmony with Him.<br />Also, the scriptures were written very haphazardly, therefore a concise deliberation on the main theological issues would be good but I suspect has already been written. Interpretation would be biggest difficulty to a broad acceptance of such. Most Christians accept the basics, however its the little foxes that spoil the vineyard.Integrityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01403843427007644914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-59757129200121049062013-11-01T15:06:07.550+01:002013-11-01T15:06:07.550+01:00Much of theological discourse seems to this pewsit...Much of theological discourse seems to this pewsitter to be crying out for an Einstein to come and say, "E=mc2 you dummies!" I think that is why Jesus taught us in parables. There is a simple single solution to the complex questions, and it may be that we just have to listen to the person we have been crying out for and to call him by name, not Einstein, but Jesus. Undergroundpewsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10182191422663119484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-31838771035280999602013-11-01T13:51:59.132+01:002013-11-01T13:51:59.132+01:00It is helpful! God's purpose before history to...It is helpful! God's purpose before history to glorify his Son in history isn't a bad description of the covenant of redemption from the Father's side. We would then have to add "the Son's purpose before history to glorify his Father in history by his obedient sacrifice".<br />Stephen Walton<br />Marbury.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-3028235592490692972013-11-01T13:48:08.829+01:002013-11-01T13:48:08.829+01:00No. Paul's statement in 1 Cor 13 is eschatolog...No. Paul's statement in 1 Cor 13 is eschatological- one day we will see clearly. The archetypal/ectypal distinction is making a different point: our knowledge will never, in all eternity, be equivalent to God's knowledge. We cannot know God as he knows himself.<br />Stephen Walton<br />MarburyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-27316039256335420882013-11-01T11:25:15.215+01:002013-11-01T11:25:15.215+01:00Stephen. Agreed. When you say "because all ...Stephen. Agreed. When you say "because all our knowledge of God, even in heaven is ectypal, and only God's knowledge of God is archetypal - perhaps you are really reflecting Pauls' terse comment "We (only)see through a glass darkly" ! graham woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13104720099020515294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-31803622732785209802013-11-01T10:57:23.232+01:002013-11-01T10:57:23.232+01:00"The Bible has a structure around 1 BIG coven..."The Bible has a structure around 1 BIG covenant, made up of lots of smaller covental arrangements. There is the covenant of redemption between Father & Son - to save a people. The Covenant with Adam, & a covenant of grace"<br /><br />Darren. I wonder if this is right? I know that the so called 'Covenant of Redemption' and Covenant of grace' are much quoted elements of what might be called Reformed theology, but there seems to be little scriptural evidence to support these.<br />Jon Zen's comments on a biblical view of God's plan BEFORE human history is enlightening and IMO accurate. He asks :how does the Bible reflect on the unfolding of God's plan in history?<br />Answer: "With respect to God's intention before time, the Scripture designates them comprehensively as an "eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:11) and see 2 Tim. 1:9. This "purpose" of God in Christ is elsewhere called a "decree" (Ps.2:7), a "determinate counsel" (Acts 2:23 & 4:28), and foreordination (1 Pet. 1:20). . . . .Clearly, before history, God "purposed" to glorify His Son IN history (John 17:1,5) (my emphasis).<br />I hope you find this helpful?<br />Grahamgraham woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13104720099020515294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-86624253833621408562013-11-01T10:20:39.511+01:002013-11-01T10:20:39.511+01:00In the end, a complete unified field theory of the...In the end, a complete unified field theory of theology will be impossible. This because all our knowledge of God, even in heaven is ectypal, and only God's knowledge of God is archetypal. Only God has sufficient knowledge, both quantitatively and qualitatively, for a UFT (of theology, but I suspect of physics too).<br /> See Francis Turretin "Institutes of Elenctic Theology, Volume 1" 1.Q2.5.<br /><br />Stephen Walton<br />MarburyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-50562815672637641872013-11-01T08:06:42.117+01:002013-11-01T08:06:42.117+01:00Hi Chris
A bit of confusion above. I was suggestin...Hi Chris<br />A bit of confusion above. I was suggesting Ephesians worthiness as a candidate for a unified theology, not as an answer to your question.<br /><br />I agree that your question is important and Ephesians doesn't answer, though might it go a bit of the way towards an answer with its words about God being glorified in the church. Were we created that God might be glorified?Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-35808977694908037122013-11-01T01:08:57.454+01:002013-11-01T01:08:57.454+01:00Darren got there before me, but yes, I think the p...Darren got there before me, but yes, I think the pactum salutis (inter-trinitarian covenant of redemption) might be key. It ties together the doctrine of God with the doctrine of salvation. I might write my ThM dissertation on it for this reason. Garry Williams at the John Owen centre is doing some study days on covenant of redemption next year, which would be well worth going to. <br />Stephen Walton<br />MarburyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-65968839961756251552013-11-01T00:07:13.885+01:002013-11-01T00:07:13.885+01:00Lots of people have answered that question with co...Lots of people have answered that question with covenant.<br /><br />The Bible has a structure around 1 BIG covenant, made up of lots of smaller covental arrangements. There is the covenant of redemption between Father & Son - to save a people. The Covenant with Adam, & a covenant of grace, made up of Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic & New. What I've found good about this structure is that it brings together all the Biblical Theology stuff & all the systematic stuff together & answers questions about Sabbath etc. Instead of things all over the place, they seem to come together. &- real plus - it's relational. How we relate to each other, the world & to God<br /><br />Darren Moore<br />ChelmsfordDarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08361261497867599745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-55598066265709048532013-10-31T23:17:53.760+01:002013-10-31T23:17:53.760+01:00Pater, if you mean Eph1 3-14 then this does not ac...Pater, if you mean Eph1 3-14 then this does not actually answer my question. This passage suggests that God for reasons only known to himself' ( ' the mystery of his will' ) decided it might be a good thing to create humans ' for the praise of his glory'. It doesn't really give any clue as to His motivation for doing so.<br /><br />If God created the heavens and Earth (including us) then it suggests things were somehow incomplete or in some way deficient beforehand. The Bible does not tell us much about the nature of reality before creation except to allude to rebellions going on in heaven, the existence of other kinds of spiritual beings and the fact that the Word (Jesus) was with God but there is precious little to go on,<br /><br />I would suggest that the unifying theological principle has to do with the nature of the Trinity and God being in relationship with Himself. That the concept of relationship (expressed freely and without coercion) being a fundamental principle of reality that God feels compelled to expand. <br /><br />I think that baptism- when we are baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, is illustrative of this relationship principle. Among other things, baptism is welcoming us in to the relationship the Trinity has with itself. <br /><br />Chris Bishop<br />DevonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-50102411572560474022013-10-31T22:25:12.679+01:002013-10-31T22:25:12.679+01:00Its already been done, in Paul's Letter to the...Its already been done, in Paul's Letter to the Ephesians!Peter Carrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535218286799156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-46661005825034587612013-10-31T21:40:39.803+01:002013-10-31T21:40:39.803+01:00I think the fundamental unifying question to ask ...I think the fundamental unifying question to ask is why did God feel the need to create man in the first place?<br /><br />Genesis states 'let us make man in our image' but does not say why.<br /><br />An answer to that is from where all (human) reality has its source.<br /><br />Chris Bishop<br />DevonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com