tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post2889968938445975966..comments2024-03-29T08:14:29.603+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: Nigeria: has no-one condemned you?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-83069890207436611932009-03-18T14:18:00.000+01:002009-03-18T14:18:00.000+01:00Simon MordenFrom your own definition of cooties yo...Simon Morden<BR/>From your own definition of cooties you are making a completely unwarranted assumption that John Richardson is afraid of being 'contaminated' by gays by being in proximity to them. You have no evidence for that statement except your own prejudiced assumptions about him which you choose to read into his posts. This is why it is a personal attack and offensive.<BR/><BR/>And if you really believe that us (or others) not having a correct understanding of 'cooties' makes you despair of for the future of the church then coming from someone who has considerable literary talents, this is such a a ludicrous statement as to beggar belief. <BR/> <BR/><BR/>Chris Bishop<BR/>DevonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-70293586799459355802009-03-17T15:20:00.000+01:002009-03-17T15:20:00.000+01:00I do not know Simon Morden and he does not need me...I do not know Simon Morden and he does not need me to defend him. However, his suggesting the Good Samaritan parable was as appropriate and challenging as John's use of the story of the woman caught in adultery. What keeps any of us from coming to the defense of others? Why do we pass by on the other side? John has come to the defense of those who have not joined the crowd criticising Arbp Akinola. Simon has challenged John and the rest of us - and himself - to question why we may not be eager to defend those in Nigeria who may be harmed very seriously by the propsed legislation (whether because they are jailed or because the legislation may be seen as an indication that violence against LGBT people and their friends will be tolerated).<BR/>While I can onoy speak for myself, I don't see challenges like John's or Simon's as personal attacks, but rather invitations to self-examination. I certainly see the tone of these challenges as much milder than Jesus' "whited-washed sepulchers."Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-59473339880019057612009-03-17T00:23:00.000+01:002009-03-17T00:23:00.000+01:00Chris and John - neither rude, nor offensive, so d...Chris and John - neither rude, nor offensive, so don't go looking for it where it doesn't exist. It's kids' talk: it's funny. Boys catch the mythical girl cooties by being near girls, or touching something that belongs to a girl. They grow out of it (eventually). I was, by use of analogy, referring to the equally mythical gay cooties you catch off gay people simply by being near them.<BR/><BR/>And the mere fact that I'm having to explain to the pair of you what cooties are makes me despair for the future of the church far more than anything you've written so far...<BR/><BR/>Simon Morden<BR/>GatesheadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-69536947307558916472009-03-16T23:56:00.000+01:002009-03-16T23:56:00.000+01:00John,I don't think I really wish to explain what '...John,<BR/><BR/>I don't think I really wish to explain what 'gay cootie' means except to say that the fact that Simon Morden's use of it in the context of making personal attacks on you, is strong evidence that his clarity and consistency of thought is clearly less than Custard's. <BR/><BR/>It was not meant to be rude but offensive. <BR/><BR/>Chris Bishop<BR/>DevonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-7893894238900683082009-03-16T23:34:00.000+01:002009-03-16T23:34:00.000+01:00Chris, I already looked that up and I'm still none...Chris, I already looked that up and I'm still none the wiser as to what Simon Morden is actually saying about me, except that it is clearly meant to be rude!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-33652746597903743202009-03-16T23:32:00.000+01:002009-03-16T23:32:00.000+01:00Simon, I can't 'engage' with name-calling. And I s...Simon, I can't 'engage' with name-calling. And I <I>still</I> don't know what you meant by this! However, if this is the standard of Christian debate, no wonder we're going down the pan.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-17401596551011449022009-03-16T23:16:00.000+01:002009-03-16T23:16:00.000+01:00John - you could always find out what cooties are ...John - you could always find out what cooties are if you were bothered, like you could engage with my comment if you were bothered.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a window into your soul. I just have your writing. It's enough to form an opinion - that you find it too uncomfortable to either defend the indefensible (++Akinola's homophobic statements) or defend the undefended (Nigeria's gay citizens).<BR/><BR/>I am genuinely not impressed by your equivocation. Custard - who I have crossed swords with many a time on Ship of Fools - has a clarity and consistency of thought that is far more commendable.<BR/><BR/>Simon Morden<BR/>GatesheadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-6381403673399504262009-03-16T23:10:00.000+01:002009-03-16T23:10:00.000+01:00A definition of the word 'cootie' can be f...A definition of the word 'cootie' can be found at <BR/><BR/>http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=cootie&meta=&btnG=Google+Search<BR/><BR/>I fail to see what it has to do with John Richardson's post.<BR/><BR/>Chris Bishop<BR/>DevonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-85548391053418994112009-03-16T22:50:00.000+01:002009-03-16T22:50:00.000+01:00Simon, I have no idea what a 'cootie' is. I don't ...Simon, I have no idea what a 'cootie' is. I don't know what you mean about contamination with gay cooties.<BR/><BR/>You do, however, seem to imagine you have a window into my soul.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-6540227854483951062009-03-16T11:06:00.000+01:002009-03-16T11:06:00.000+01:00What you miss in your analogy with the woman caugh...What you miss in your analogy with the woman caught in adultery is that conservative evangelicals have already been quite vocal in condemning Gene Robinson et al.<BR/><BR/>The question is quite simply whether we are going to be consistent in how we treat Americans when they sin in ways which don't fit with our politics and Nigerians when they sin in ways which do fit with our politics.<BR/><BR/>And this conservative evangelical thinks that's a good challenge to us.<BR/><BR/>John Allister, Oxford.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487495921222083129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-7175478335750270272009-03-16T10:55:00.000+01:002009-03-16T10:55:00.000+01:00Hello,I remember Archbishop Akinola being accused ...Hello,<BR/><BR/>I remember Archbishop Akinola being accused of homophobia when he supported a similar law a while ago. And then it turned out that he was supporting a much more liberal, gentle law than the law that the majority of Nigerians wanted - so, in the Nigerian context, he was actually pushing for making things better. Context is important. I don't know anything about the current situation though.<BR/><BR/>Phil Craig, LondonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-73877709751878306052009-03-15T23:34:00.000+01:002009-03-15T23:34:00.000+01:00John - the core issue isn't a parallel of the woma...John - the core issue isn't a parallel of the woman taken in adultery. It's the Good Samaritan. You seem to be content to pass by on the other side of the road, less you find yourself contaminated with gay cooties, or worse still, have your friends think you're contaminated with gay cooties.<BR/><BR/>The issue's pretty clear to me. By not speaking out when you have the opportunity to do so, you're saying that you don't care what happens to these people.<BR/><BR/>Simon Morden<BR/>GatesheadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-68636758875034927792009-03-15T17:52:00.000+01:002009-03-15T17:52:00.000+01:00The "judge not..." admonition does not, I think, m...The "judge not..." admonition does not, I think, mean "don't criticize..." Arbp Akinola is my brother in Christ and I have a responsibility to admonish him when I discern that his words and actions are contrary to the Gospel - just as he has taken on the responsibililty to admonish those whose views on same-sex relations he discerned to be contrary to the Gospel.Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-58196667917901210052009-03-15T16:25:00.000+01:002009-03-15T16:25:00.000+01:00This whole thing is affecting me in the same way a...This whole thing is affecting me in the same way as the Jade Goody saga.<BR/>Let us make a comparison; on the one hand we have Ms Goody; someone who does lots of things I utterly disapprove of, and does them very much in the public eye, who is now suffering terribly and eliciting sympathy and support from people with whom she has little or nothing in common (Gordon Brown for one).<BR/>I am torn between my horror at the whole media circus, and my compassion for a fellow human being (a fallen sinner like myself) who is suffering.<BR/>On the other hand we have a group within Nigerian society whose approach to personal ethics and morality is not the same as mine when it comes to sex, and who have been, with the the collusion of elements of the Western media, making a noise about their agenda for a fairly long time.<BR/>Now though, they face persecution. I therefore am moved to feel compassion, even though I do not agree with them.<BR/>If someone has cancer I do not give them a hard time about why they got it (even in cases of lung cancer caused by smoking its not the greatest pastoral approach to say "ha!, its your own fault!") so why should I withhold compassion and a desire for fairness and justice from the gay community in Nigeria? It was wrong for the Nazis to oppress homosexuals, why is it apparently OK for the Nigerian government to do the same thing?Tim Goodbodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02725035540031649887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-92167794977547646402009-03-15T14:25:00.000+01:002009-03-15T14:25:00.000+01:00David, I think you're entirely right - and simulta...David, I think you're entirely right - and simultaneously wrong! And that's the point, isn't it?<BR/><BR/>"When you point your finger cos your plan fell through, You got three more fingers pointing back at you." Dire Straits, but it could have been Jesus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-89108323701333574492009-03-15T13:59:00.000+01:002009-03-15T13:59:00.000+01:00I too can see a very clear parallel with the stoni...I too can see a very clear parallel with the stoning of the woman caught in adultery.<BR/><BR/>The Church in Nigeria has picked up stones and is ready to do violence to the homosexual. The message to western conservatives is, "Why the hell are you just standing there watching?"<BR/><BR/>We're not talking about standing up for some abstract principle here, but intervening to stop persecution and oppression.<BR/><BR/>Dave Rattigan, LiverpoolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com