tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post2486274929771289488..comments2024-03-19T08:14:09.776+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: Erroneous and Strange BishopsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-29847392810631039672010-03-22T10:40:10.869+01:002010-03-22T10:40:10.869+01:00I thought this was an article about bishops in TEC...I thought this was an article about bishops in TEC and AC/NA, they're certainly erroneous and strange.RMBrutonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15017576806723146013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-59482536072063395832010-03-18T21:43:13.426+01:002010-03-18T21:43:13.426+01:00Excellent post John. Agree with you 100%. I am mor...Excellent post John. Agree with you 100%. I am more than ever of the conviction that the future of the Church at every level will need to come, in God's grace, through the re-establishing of the priority of 'good' (as in gospel-affirming, faithful to apostolic tradition, attentive to the living word of God) theology. And the exercise of theology itself needs to be re-claimed, away from the esoteric and abstracted academic musings (and I speak as an academic), to the frontline of life-giving theology in the local church and public square. <br /><br />We have relegated 'theology' to a curious pursuit of a few - a specialist academic sub-discipline - and removed it from the most important questions of life and making sense of the world as we experience it - guided and instructed by God's word as a precious means of grace. As the mode of pastoral ministry has been shaped in terms of 'leaders as facilitators', the practical effect is a public witness that amounts to 'what would I know?', and it is only a short step from this to 'follow what your instincts tell you - I'm sure God will understand'.<br /><br />The tragic fruit of such neglect is seen in the vacuous excuses for theology emanating from the present generation of leaders (bishops and presbyters) - albeit elegantly expressed. Or to put it in terms of Amos 8, we are experiencing a 'famine in the hearing of God's word' throughout the land.Tim Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13316071177447733796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-437563775548023382010-03-18T18:44:56.373+01:002010-03-18T18:44:56.373+01:00The nagging problem always remains at the heart of...The nagging problem always remains at the heart of the structure of the CofE and that is it is an established church. It was created by political processes and to some extent it continues by the same processes. The most sensible solution, if you really want 'mutual' authority, is to press of disestablishment. It is is the only sensible way forward.<br /><br />Just noted your talks on Islam. Did you use David E. Marshall's excellent little book on the subject "Learning From How Muslims See Christianity"? I will try and make time to listen, but I can't promise!<br /><br />Regards:<br />S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-27649971261651347442010-03-18T11:59:33.340+01:002010-03-18T11:59:33.340+01:00John,
It is a great book which points us back to w...John,<br />It is a great book which points us back to what Ministry is about - people not programmes. Any hoo! your link is I have a better link for folks: <br />http://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/The-Trellis-and-the-Vine-ttatv_1037/<br />It may sound naff but 'a must read' (after the Bible)!<br /><br />Richard Wood<br />East LondonRichard Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01918689843241005734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-7864391369256545282010-03-18T11:02:17.277+01:002010-03-18T11:02:17.277+01:00Andrew, I think also that any proposals about coun...Andrew, I think also that any proposals about councils of bishops need to take into account Article 21, "Of the Authority of General Councils".<br /><br />I doubt whether we can, any longer, wait for "the commandment and will of Princes" before such councils are called, but we should note the caution that "(forasmuch as they be an assembly of men, whereof all be not governed with the Spirit and Word of God,) they may err, and sometime have erred, even in things pertaining to God" and the requirement that "things ordained by them as necessary to salvation have neither strength nor authority, unless it may be declared that they be taken out of holy Scripture."<br /><br />It is, as you say, the known unorthodoxy of bishops that makes the gathering of councils (Lambeth, Dar es Salam, etc) such a fruitless exercise at present.<br /><br />Of course, the big issue is what we do locally when our own bishops step away from orthodoxy. It seems to me unarguable that Jones has done this vis a vis the position held set out in <i>Issues in Human Sexuality</i> and reaffirmed by the House of Bishops in <i>Some Issues in Human Sexuality</i>. If the other bishops do nothing, where does this leave the rest of us?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-51007814797123732342010-03-18T10:44:03.348+01:002010-03-18T10:44:03.348+01:00This post comes just after I've finished readi...This post comes just after I've finished reading Stephen Noll's paper on Communion Governance, which advocates that the Bishops in Council ought to be the primary authority in the Communion - not the ACC. But when a good number of those bishops are "strange and erroneous" it undermines that model. It forces orthodox bishops to start alternative movements like GAFCON in order to restore sound doctrine and promote Biblical witness within the Communion.Andrew Reidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-73612641163986622212010-03-17T20:52:21.048+01:002010-03-17T20:52:21.048+01:00Bill, it is The Trellis and the Vine - the website...Bill, it is <a href="http://www.matthiasmedia.com.au/the-trellis-and-the-vine" rel="nofollow">The Trellis and the Vine</a> - the website says its out of stock, but I was sent one in the UK recently - as a freebee for some reason!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-67081145156067613442010-03-17T20:11:57.664+01:002010-03-17T20:11:57.664+01:00The 'evangelical' bishops so described are...The 'evangelical' bishops so described are not really evangelical but rather men from that background who have since 'broadened'. James Jones fits that description, and so do the 'blogging bshops' who have been preferred by the English system or nomenklatura. Of course they still want to hang on to the title 'evangelical' but it means little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-81648367620496880062010-03-17T20:06:42.299+01:002010-03-17T20:06:42.299+01:00Would you be willing to share what book it is that...Would you be willing to share what book it is that you're currently reading that gave rise to this post? I am intrigued, especially in light of the thoughtfulness of the post! <br /><br />Bill<br />Virginia, USAAn Anxious Anglicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630532668798784975noreply@blogger.com