tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post1065831602099697498..comments2024-03-28T08:30:20.260+01:00Comments on The Ugley Vicar: What was on the table (and the chairs) at NEAC 5?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-31514971013807018272008-12-03T18:50:00.000+01:002008-12-03T18:50:00.000+01:00The challenge for the CEEC is that it lost the opp...The challenge for the CEEC is that it lost the opportunity to consult, even in the abbreviated day meeting.<BR/><BR/>Reading the many reports of the meeting, it seems that there was an attempt to generate a crisis mentality and bludgeon agreement. The lack of prior circulation of papers, the failure to spell out the agenda of the day at the outset, the single unamendable motion, the petulance - none of this was necessary.<BR/><BR/>Whatever the CEEC now chooses to do or say, the opportunity to say that it speaks with the mind of its constituency is lost. Tragically lost. Unnecessarily lost.<BR/><BR/>This is something for CEEC to repent. How it does so may determine whether it can recover a role in the truly broad yet truly evangelical community.<BR/><BR/>Jeremy<BR/>CambridgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-18644630089488569472008-11-29T15:41:00.000+01:002008-11-29T15:41:00.000+01:00Yes, Michael, that seems to be a consistent issue....Yes, Michael, that seems to be a consistent issue. And some particularly don't like Australians or anything that may pick up influence from them (whilst others find you lot quite refreshing).<BR/><BR/>It seems odd to me on 2 fronts thought. 1st to make such a big issue of personalities rather than facts. The 2nd is that it is a generalisation where we can find lots of exceptions, after all not all Open Evangelicals are exactly cuddly and polite either, are they? - But that is irrelevant - isn't it?<BR/><BR/>Darren Moore<BR/>TranmereDarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08361261497867599745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-64434647591470042008-11-29T15:40:00.000+01:002008-11-29T15:40:00.000+01:00Yes, Michael, that seems to be a consistent issue....Yes, Michael, that seems to be a consistent issue. And some particularly don't like Australians or anything that may pick up influence from them (whilst others find you lot quite refreshing).<BR/><BR/>It seems odd to me on 2 fronts thought. 1st to make such a big issue of personalities rather than facts. The 2nd is that it is a generalisation where we can find lots of exceptions, after all not all Open Evangelicals are exactly cuddly and polite either, are they? - But that is irrelevant - isn't it?<BR/><BR/>Darren Moore<BR/>TranmereDarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08361261497867599745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-8273911817618789412008-11-27T20:36:00.000+01:002008-11-27T20:36:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-78495221447233654172008-11-27T20:34:00.000+01:002008-11-27T20:34:00.000+01:00It seems to me to be more about personalities than...It seems to me to be more about personalities than anything. The open evangelicals in the UK seem to be opposed to the manners and style of the conservatives more than anything.michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-81969244227968470002008-11-26T17:40:00.000+01:002008-11-26T17:40:00.000+01:00I'm not sure I get the strength of opposition to G...I'm not sure I get the strength of opposition to GAFCON. Looking at the Christ Church Algarve website - they discribe themselves as Open Evangelical and have now got oversight through GAFCON. Most in TEC or breaking from (or TEC breaking from them?) who GAFCON seek to support will be Anglo-Catholic or Open Evangelical (most conservatives became Reformed Episcopal or Presbytarian a while ago), in Canada with 1 notable exception they will be Charismatic and open....<BR/><BR/>SO why are English Open Evangelicals so anti-GAFCON? One day they may need someone to stand with them, but would have all been kicked out or left. Hopefully it won't get that far.<BR/><BR/>Darren Moore<BR/>TranmereDarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08361261497867599745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-21372167208715088422008-11-25T21:46:00.000+01:002008-11-25T21:46:00.000+01:00The software system is, I'm afraid, out of my hand...The software system is, I'm afraid, out of my hands!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03590979027426082714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-61773709866273977972008-11-25T21:42:00.000+01:002008-11-25T21:42:00.000+01:00The CEEC indeed has the right to go ahead with thi...The CEEC indeed has the right to go ahead with this motion, but if it does so despite the wishes of its constituency as expressed during the consultation process, it will undermine its own position and lose credibility especially in the eyes of those who are not happy with the GAFCON process. The effect will be to divide C of E evangelicals all the more into separate camps. The majority of NEAC delegates apparently do not want this kind of division. If the CEEC also doesn't want it, they would be wise also to refrain from voting on this motion.<BR/><BR/>(Chelmsford)<BR/><BR/>PS This new comment system is still not working properly - not giving me the chance to log in and comment until I refresh the page.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9031852996869768738.post-16874731581844268712008-11-25T19:45:00.000+01:002008-11-25T19:45:00.000+01:00Hi John,I was there ...Maybe the wording does impl...Hi John,<BR/>I was there ...<BR/>Maybe the wording does imply that this is only supposed to be part of a consultation process, but for those of us who opposed the vote (either because we oppose the Jerusalem declaration or because we object to being pushed around by bullies, or both) the problem was that those who spoke in favour of the document on (some of) the chairs did not take into account any other approach than GAFCON in their addresses. RT tried hard to "stand alongside" those who wanted to take a different approach, but his behaviour following the vote not to vote undermined his authority somewhat in the eyes of many at the meeting - even those who might otherwise be with him.Tim Goodbodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02725035540031649887noreply@blogger.com