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Tuesday, 31 March 2009

The Wire - finally

At last, we get to watch 'The Wire' in this country.

The measure of how long it has taken to get to our TV screens lies in its being in the old 14:9 format (like below), not the new widescreen 'letterbox'. I had to juggle with the settings on my TV to get a sensible sized picture.

So far - utterly brilliant, beginning with the opening scene of a slow dialogue about a murder victim who always used to steal the 'pot' in a street crap game. Asked by a detective why the others used to let him play if they knew this was what he would do, the answer was, "Y'got to. This is America, man."

Don't watch if you don't like swearing, though.

And why, why, was it on at 11.20pm?



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Monday, 30 March 2009

Best Saturn yet


This time I managed to capture Saturn with the 'Barlow' magnifier which gives a bigger image.

It also makes it harder, however, to pick up in the viewfinder, so this took some capturing.

If you look very carefully, you can still see Titan, over on the left side of the picture, about a fifth of the way down, as a faint dot. I've cross-checked this with Redshift 5 to establish that is where Titan was at the time. Remember, it is orbiting Saturn, so it won't be where it was last time.

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Saturday, 28 March 2009

Fulcrum leadership question inspectors' report on Wycliffe Hall

A member of the Open Evangelical group Fulcrum has challenged the assessment of Wycliffe Hall theological college presented by the Chair of the Church of England’s Ministry Division in a recent letter to the Church of England Newspaper.

Bishop Graham James had himself written to criticize the headline in the previous week’s CEN that Wycliffe had “failed” the inspection. This, Bishop James said, was “plainly wrong.” He continued,
On the contrary, the inspection team found Wycliffe Hall ‘fit for purpose’ displaying ‘a rich mosaic of evangelical traditions which come together in a community which shows respect for difference, and in which women are fully accepted and integrated’.
Now, however, Jody Stowell, one of the Fulcrum leadership team, has explicitly questioned that conclusion and the effectiveness of the inspection. Writing in a thread about the Bishop’s letter on the Fulcrum discussion forum, she stated,
i [sic] for one would be very interested to know the process by which it was determined that women are fully accepted and integrated.

which women were asked, if any? was this done in a way that the subtlety of power imbalance was avoided in order to get a true representation?
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Friday, 27 March 2009

No Pope - or not?

Is it me, or is there just a mad illogicality to the way our society is continuing to deconstruct itself?

I read in The Times today that Gordon Brown has been to the Palace to discuss the repeal of the 1701 Act of Settlement. The Times comments, “The bar on Catholics has long been regarded as a symbol of sectarian prejudice”, and no doubt it is by those such as Mr Brown.

But wait a minute. A Roman Catholic regards the Pope as the Vicar of Christ. And didn’t the Vicar of Christ just wind up a lot of people by announcing that condoms exacerbate the problem of Aids in Africa rather than reduce it? So wouldn’t this sort of thing put a monarch of Roman persuasion in rather an interesting position?

Now I know that a lot of Roman Catholics in England regard the Pope’s pronouncements as themselves mistaken and out of touch, but I would vouch that (a) this has much to do with what I am told is the Liberalism of much English Catholicism and (b) that if there were a Papal ‘Obama’, the enthusiasm for his pronouncements would be very much restored.

In other words, the true Catholic (or the Catholic true to a favoured Pope) would adopt precisely the attitude to Papal authority, and therefore to their own role within the English State, that the Act of Settlement was designed to avoid. Let us not forget that in the US, Roman Catholic politicians have been on the receiving end of harsh words from their bishops regarding their voting record.

The fact is that the drive behind the bid to abolish the Act of Settlement rests on the presumption not that Catholicism is true but that all religions are equally false. This has always been the basis of ‘multiculturalism’, and has little to do with overcoming ‘sectarian prejudice’.

On the other hand, if there were a serious chance of the heir to the throne being a radical Islamist (and why ever not?) I wonder if Brown, Times journalists, et al would be quite so sanguine.

John Richardson
27 March 2009

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Thursday, 26 March 2009

A depatism letter to parents

Apparently there is growing interest in the practice of ‘debaptism’, reported here on the BBC website. The National Secular Society says that there have been over 100,000 downloads of its debaptism certificate. Then there is a deluxe version you can order online, which at £3 a pop shows there’s money to be made out of the gullible irreligious as well as the gullible religious.

And in all this, the churches are coming in for a fair amount of flak — especially the Church of England which is refusing to comply with people’s demands for an entry to be made in baptism registers noting the ‘debaptism’. (Though with the fee for a register search standing at £19 for the first hour, 100,000 inquiries could come in handy.)

The truth is, however, that the decision to have a baby baptized, at least in the Church of England, would have been made by the parents, not the Church. Indeed, clergy are not allowed to refuse baptism. Even a delay can only be justified on certain grounds.

Moreover, it is fair to say that in the vast majority of cases (as the NSS is keen to observe) this request will have made by people with little church affiliation themselves and who have rarely encouraged it in their children.

The blame should therefore clearly lie squarely on the parents, not the church. And so with that in mind, I offer here, free of charge, a ‘Debaptism Letter to My Parents’ for the dissatisfied victims of infant baptism to download and send to them at the same time as they obtain their debaptism certificates.

Fair’s fair, after all.

Revd John P Richardson

26 March 2009


Dear Mum and Dad (especially you, Mum),

This is just to let you know how much I didn’t want to be baptized, or Christened, or have my head ‘wetted’, or whatever you called it, when I was a baby, and how cross I am that you did this to me.

Oh, I’m sure you thought it was a good idea. Maybe Gran told you I’d grow up with one leg shorter than the other. Maybe you thought it would be a great opportunity for a slap-up celebration with all the friends and relatives. Maybe you just did it because everyone else did. Maybe, God forbid, you actually did it because you believed something.

But, hey — you weren’t thinking about me, were you?

So you phoned the poor old vicar, who knew that if he tried to put you off you’d tell everyone what an awful man he was (they were mostly men in those days, weren’t they). And anyway, he couldn’t refuse you — not without getting into trouble with his bishop if you wrote and complained.

And so although he may not have seen you before, and although he knew he’d probably never see you again, he went along with it, and he visited you, and he tried to encourage you to go to church. And you did a couple of times, but only until I’d been ‘done’, and then it kind of trailed off, didn’t it? Sure, you let me choose not to go to church — let’s face it, when did you go? But what happened to freedom of choice when I was too young to object?

What did you think you were doing? Why make ‘promises’ for me you weren’t intending to encourage me to keep? If church wasn’t good enough for you, why did you think it was good enough for me?

So anyway, I’ve bought myself one of those ‘Debaptism’ certificates, and I’ve written a cross letter to the (new) vicar demanding he remove my name from the baptism register, and I’ve told them I don’t want to have myself counted in their membership statistics.

But they weren’t the ones who asked for me to be baptized, were they? No, it was you! And its you I blame now.

Thanks a bunch.

Your loving offspring

(Signed)


PS: So far, you owe me £3.

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Monday, 23 March 2009

Washington congregations seek to form new Anglican Diocese of Cascadia

At least seven congregations in western Washington state are seeking to form an Anglican diocese outside of the Episcopal Church but within its ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

The congregations, calling themselves the Diocese of Cascadia, have sent a formal application for membership as a diocese to the newly formed Anglican Church in North America, said the Rev. Kevin Allen, rector of the recently formed St. Brendan's Anglican Church in Bellingham.

"We have various Anglican churches in the region that want to continue in mission and support what we share in common," Allen said in a telephone interview from his office March 18. "It seems very natural to come together and explore how to do that together under the eventual jurisdiction of a bishop."

He called it "a very positive move ahead in what we feel we have to offer among all the choices of ecumenical churches in the region. Our hope is to grow successfully in our church and mission and to welcome other congregations so they feel part of a larger community -- and that's the Good News proposition as well," he added. Read moreWhen posting your comments please give a full name and location. Comments without this information may not be posted.

Sunday, 22 March 2009

Jade Goody: a prayer request

I see from the news this morning (21st March) that reality TV star Jade Goody died in her sleep last night, (reminding us, incidentally, that although this is just one of the tens of thousands of deaths that will happen today, each person is an individual, and that even though the world won't notice, every single one of them matters.)

I notice also that the funeral and burial are to take place at St John the Baptist, Buckhurst Hill (see also here), one of the churches in my own Diocese of Chelmsford. Since the baptism of Jade and her sons was carried out by Revd Corinne Brixton, who is a minister there, I presume Corinne will also be taking the funeral.

It would be good for people to pray for Corinne and the people of St John's, as this is bound to be a very public event. We should also pray for Jade's children, partner and family as the limelight will be on them at an intensely difficult time.

JPR
21 March 2009 

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Saturday, 21 March 2009

Crescent Venus at last, and a better Saturn

With the scope up and running, I finally got a picture of the crescent Venus. It's a long way short of brilliant as the planet is now very low on the horizon - or at least, low enough to be behind the surrounding fences, trees and houses in my back garden. I had to set up without proper alignment and take a very short exposure. There are also a lot of problems with heat haze rising from roofs, etc.

However, I managed to get a much better shot of Saturn than previously (scroll down a bit and you can see the old one). In fact in this picture you can just make out Saturn's brightest moon, Titan. Technophiles may be interested to know that these are taken with a webcam stuck down the eyepiece of the telescope. The camera is a Philips SPC900NC, which uses a light-sensitive CCD chip instead of the normal CMOS. These are becoming quite rare!





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Wednesday, 18 March 2009

The scope is back - and here's Saturn




Thanks to the very nice man at Telescope House in Tunbridge Wells, the telescope is back and working! I managed to get a shot at Saturn last night. I think there was some dew on the lens, as the picture isn't as sharp as I would have hoped, but it was very cold!

Funnily enough, the last time I think I have been that cold was also when doing some astronomy, back at Keele University in the winter of early 1970.


BTW, you can't just wipe the dew off! That would ruin a very expensive piece of kit - you have to get a dew shield (mine is broken!!!) or a heating element to go round the telescope tube.

Update 20 March


I posted this on the Society for Popular Astronomy website, where I'm a member. You can now see the (much improved) pictures I took the next night, and also see a link to some truly astonishing work from the world-famous Pete Lawrence, who seems to have personal access to a spaceship.


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Tuesday, 17 March 2009

Wycliffe Hall inspection report available online

The 'long-awaited' inspectors' report on Wycliffe Hall Theological College may be found here as a pdf file - long-awaited because of the apparent shenanigans there that excited so much interest a year or so ago (can it be so long?).

Reading very, very briefly, there are a number of critical comments and recommendations as one would expect, but generally the report is positive, concluding,

136 Wycliffe Hall’s body of staff and students is united in the common purpose of forming ordinands, women as much as men, for leadership in the Church of England. Today, the Hall displays a rich mosaic of Evangelical traditions that come together in a community that shows respect for difference, and in which women are fully accepted and integrated.

137 It is the considered and prayerful judgment of the Inspection Team that Wycliffe Hall is, with the qualifications mentioned, fit for the purpose of preparing men and women for ordained ministry in the Church of England.

Praise the Lord, and if you want to read the report for St Stephen's House (also Oxford), that is available here.

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The Nigerian Legislation prohibiting Same-sex Marriages

Courtesy of the Thinking Anglicans website, I have copied (within the limitations of HTML) the legislation prohibiting same-sex marriages which appears to be behind the controversy over the stance of the Church of Nigeria. I have not had time yet to read the submission of the Church of Nigeria, but that is available from the same web-page.

I then discovered that someone else has made a far better job of the transcript here, but hey, I'd done the work, and you're reading this blog, so why go elsewhere? (Actually, the other guy has made a much better job of it.)

Now here is my reaction to the legislation, not the Church of Nigeria's report.

A society may, for its own reasons, choose to legislate against same-sex marriage. It is worth bearing in mind that they are not legal in the UK, though civil partnerships are. If a thing is illegal, then there must, of necessity be penalties. If I've done the correct currency conversion, the group fine of N50,000 is equivalent to about £240. Over against this, the individual fine of N1,000 is a rather derisory £4.76, so I may have got this wrong!

The prison sentences may seem too severe. However, in this country maximum sentences are rarely imposed, and I wonder if the same is true in Nigeria. I simply don't know.

The legislation does also illustrate the problem of drafting laws in a language which is not your first.

The crucial question is, of course, whether such legislation should exist at all, but that is something which will obviously be debated.

Revd John P Richardson
16 March 2009


Be it Enacted by the National Assembly of the Federal Republic of Nigeria as follows:

1.—
(1) Marriage Contract entered between persons of same Gender is hereby prohibited in Nigeria.


(2) Marriages Contract entered between persons of same gender are invalid
And shall not be recognized as entitled to the benefits of a valid marriage.

(3) Marriage Contract entered between persons of same gender by virtue a certificate issued by a foreign country shall be void in Nigeria, and any benefits accruing there from by virtue of the certificate shall not be enforced by any court of law in Nigeria.

2.
—(1) Marriage entered between persons of same Gender shall not be solemnized in any place of worship either Church or Mosque in Nigeria.

(2) No marriage certificate issued to parties of same sex marriage in Nigeria.

3. Only marriage contracted between a man and a woman either under Islamic Law, Customary Law and Marriage Act is recognized as valid in Nigeria.

4.—(1) Persons that entered into a same gender marriage contract commit
an offence and are jointly liable on conviction to a term of 3 years imprisonment each

(2) Any persons or group of persons that witness, abet and aids the solemnization of a same gender marriage contract commits an offence and liable on conviction to—

(a) if an individual to a term of 5 years imprisonment or a group of persons to a fine of N2,000 of both,

(b) if a group of persons to a fine of N50,000 only.

5. The High Court of a State shall have jurisdiction to entertain matter arising from the breach of the provision of this Bill.

6. In this Bill, unless the context otherwise requires—

“Marriage” here relates to a legal union entered between persons of opposite sex in accordance with the Marriage Act, Islamic and Customary Laws.

High Court” to include High Court of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

“Same Gender Marriage” means the coming together of persons of the same sex with the purpose of leaving (sic) together as husband and wife or for
other purposes of same sexual relationship.

7. This Bill may be cited as Same Gender Marriage (Prohibition) Bill, 2008.

Explanatory Note

This Bill seeks to prohibit marriage between persons of same gender, and witnessing same, and provide appropriate solemnization of the marriage penalties thereof.


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Monday, 16 March 2009

Scots Psychologist: Government policy means schools will supplant role of family

At about ten to eight on this morning’s Today programme, there was an item which at first seemed to be about what was to me a rather abstract aspect of modern education. One of the things it particularly focused on was so-called SEAL (Social and Emotional Aspects of Learning) programmes, which I admit to knowing nothing about, and until this point, caring even less.

The two people being interviewed by James Naughtie were Carol Craig, the chief executive of the Centre for Confidence and Wellbeing who made the claim, and Ian Morris, head of philosophy and well-being at Wellington College. Craig argued that SEAL programmes would present real problems, whilst Morris was rather in favour.

If you follow this link, you can listen to the interview. Then move the slider to about 5' 30" in and you’ll get this revealing comment from Carol Craig, followed by Naughtie’s question to Ian Morris and his answer, which should have us all sitting up and taking notice:

CC: You see the SEAL thing isn’t really necessarily about self-esteem, although there is an ‘all about me’ strand to SEAL, which I think is one of the worrying things, because that is exactly the kind of thing that breeds far too much of a ‘self’ focus. But the point is we have to decide as a society do we think that schools should really about — be about emotional issues and well-being. This is what the government wants it to become. It’s almost like supplanting the role of the family. There’s a big, big change afoot that I think people are not aware of, that the Department of Education and Skills is now called the Department for Children, Schools and Family and its beginning to supplant the family as the provider of socialization and well-being, and I think this is a very worrying development that I think schools should be resisting. They shouldn’t be accepting this role, its not one that they will be able to fulfil.

JN: Are you going to resist it, Ian Morris?

IM: Absolutely not, I think it’s a great move, I think it is very, very important and as long as we’ve got a very clear definition of what well-being is, I think schools are very much the right place to address well-being and I think it should be the primary focus of all educational establishments to promote well-being.

You can read more about the Centre for Confidence and Wellbeing here, and download their longer critique of SEAL here (112 pages!). You can read about Wellington College's 'happiness lessons' here.

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Words not what they used to be in the post-Windsor Anglican Communion

There is a perceptive article by Andrew Carey doing the internet rounds, on how words are being twisted as part of the Windsor Process. You can read one posting of Carey's article here.

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Sunday, 15 March 2009

Nigeria: has no-one condemned you?

For the last couple of days, sections of the Anglican blogosphere have been agog with excitement over the apparent support by the Church of Nigeria for their government’s proposed legislation against homosexuality.

I admit to not yet having had time to digest either the legislation or the stance of that church.

Nevertheless, I am struck not only by the extent to which criticism is being directed at the Church of Nigeria (some of which qualifies as demonisation), but at Western Conservatives. “Where,” the questioning goes, “is your condemnation? Why are you silent?”

Now it may indeed be that condemnation is required. For all I know, it may already be happening, though not necessarily via blogs and ‘open letters’.

But I cannot help noticing, with regard to the spiritual dynamics of all this, the similarity with what happened in the case of the woman caught in adultery. When her accusers brought her to Jesus to ask what should be done with her we are told by the Evangelists, “They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.”

There was, of course, no doubt of the woman’s guilt. And it is worth reminding ourselves that if the Law of Moses has a Divine origin, then in God’s eyes adultery was then a capital offence, to be punished by the State.

But this was not about the guilt of the accused, and nor is reaction to the Nigerian situation simply about the Nigerians.

There is also a clear difference in that the question was put to Jesus — the Holy One in whom there was no sin. None of us can stand in that position (indeed, that is the point of what Jesus said in reply.)

But we must not forget that this was not a view shared by the accusers. In their eyes, Jesus was a charlatan, a spiritual usurper, a frustrating and dangerous opponent needing to be brought down.

And what did they feel in their hearts when one of their number first came up with the bright idea?

“Wait a minute! Don’t let’s stone her. Let’s take her to Jesus. He’s always condemning and accusing us. He’s got to agree to her being stoned. Let’s see him get out of this one!”

How different is this from the thoughts of those who have taken the Nigerian Church (brothers and sisters in Christ) to the Conservatives crying, “The gospel commands us to condemn such people — now what do you say?”

What do they hope to hear? A shared condemnation? Evasion? Silence?

Is it any wonder Jesus said to us, “Judge not, lest you be judged, condemn not, lest you stand condemned”?

Of course, as anyone will know who tries to put these words into practice, they are impossible for us. We must judge and we must condemn, because life is full of damnable things, and yet with every judgement we accuse ourselves.

But that is surely the point. We must know ourselves to be people under judgement, and keep this before us every time we see a fellow human being committing sin.

When Jesus said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone,” the lesson was not that adultery was suddenly allowable, nor that adulterers should no longer be condemned. Rather, it was that the accusers saw what Jesus saw in their hearts, and they were shamed by what they found.

As each day passes, we see the Anglican Church revealed not as a thing of beauty but an object of horror, suitable only for the world’s derision and God’s judgement — indeed, as a woman taken in adultery.

Revd John P Richardson
15 March 2009

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Saturday, 14 March 2009

Kill the Wabbit - doing Bugs Bunny the Middle Eastern way



One of the organizations apparently criticized by Ben White in the ongoing spat between Fulcrum and the Barnabas Fund was MEMRI, the Middle East Media Research Institute.

MEMRI could hardly be accused of being unbiased. On the other hand, if The Times is to be trusted, we must at least thank them for bringing us gems like 'The tragic martyrdom of the Hamas bunny', and some of the other clips to be found on Daniel Finkelstein's Comment Central.

Hold on - Finkelstein - do I smell a rat? Or in this case, a mouse?

Oh dear. I wonder if Richard Dawkins doesn't have a point after all.

John Richardson
14 March 2009

PS for the original 'Kill the Wabbit', see the brilliant pastiche on Wagner, What's Opera, Doc?, here. It just may restore your faith in human nature. Or maybe not.

PPS, I suppose there's a possibility that it is a 'viral' (if that's the right word), like this one showing Hitler discovering his BNP membership has been leaked. OK, it contains swearing, but which is more obscene, dead bunnies for Palestinian children, the way Christians treat one another, or a few swear words to make you laugh?

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Too late for Anglicanism?

Well, if there is one thing that Liberals and Traditionalists agree on in the Anglican Church, it is that we should ‘expel the immoral brother’. The trouble is, they disagree totally as to what qualifies as ‘immorality’.

Is it immoral for the Church of Nigeria to support the criminalizing of same-sex relationships (as used to be the case in all Western societies until very recently)? Or is it immoral for the Church in North America to sanctify those relationships (and at the same time to shift the boundaries of what may be believed doctrinally so as to threaten any connections with the church’s received faith)?

The truth is, it hardly matters any more as far as the Communion is concerned. St Paul’s warning has finally come true: “If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.”

The sad truth is that, even if the Church of Nigeria might need to hear a word of correction, Western Anglicanism is hardly in a position to deliver it. Why should anyone listen to a Church which scarcely has any theological coherence whatsoever? And similarly, how can the Western Church expect to be listened to by the Church in Nigerian, given that it is unwilling to listen itself to a rebuke from that quarter?

In any case, a brief flick through the usual suspects in the blogosphere suggests to me that the last thing anyone wants is for the ‘enemy’ to act out of character. How terrible it would be for us if the opposition failed to live down to the expectations we have of them!

One of the striking things that has been said about the possibility of a resurgence of violence in Northern Ireland is that there are some people who miss the bloodshed and the hatred. The same is surely now true of Anglicanism. There are too many people now who relish the fight.

Love your enemies? Do good to them that hate you? Bless them that curse you? Of course we will. Provided they are not Christian enemies, provided they are not brothers and sisters that hate us or whom we hate, provided they are not fellow Anglicans that curse us or that we still haven't got round to cursing. For them, there can be no mercy, nor forgiveness, only judgement and condemnation - and don’t we love to judge and condemn?

For of course, they deserve it!

Well, I truly believe Jesus has a word for us:

Remember the height from which you have fallen!
Repent and do the things you did at first.
If you do not repent,
I will come to you
and remove your lampstand from its place.

Revd John P Richardson

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Wednesday, 11 March 2009

Not Anglicans but Episcopalians - a new clarity in the USA?

An article from The Durham News, USA, provides incidental endorsement of the lines along which the TEC has divided. In an article about students at the Anglican Episcopal House of Studies at Duke University the two sides are referred to as ‘Episcopalian’ (those remaining within TEC) and ‘Anglican’ (those who have left TEC).

Thus, the article refers to "[t]he approximately 50 Anglicans and Episcopalians at AEHS" (emphasis added), rather than simply "students". The article also quotes the Director of AEHS, Englishwoman and former Tutor in Old Testament at Ridley Hall, Cambridge, Jo Bailey Wells, referring to "Anglicans" on the one hand and "Episcopalians" on the other:

‘"The Anglicans assume that the Episcopalians are not disturbed by the split, [that] they’ll march forward with their new policies," she said. "And the Episcopalians assume that [American] Anglicans are not disturbed by the split because they’re marching on and creating new churches and building new buildings. There isn’t a great deal of communication or at least real understanding between the two."’

Thus it would seem that, within the United States at least, a new clarity is emerging, with ‘The Episcopal Church’ and ‘Anglicans’ becoming accepted labels for now-divergent approaches to Christian understanding.

Read the Durham News article here.

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Monday, 9 March 2009

Suddenly it’s over for the Anglican Communion

Like a dam that has been under pressure for some time, the Anglican Communion has, I believe, suddenly and irrevocably broken. They think its all over? It is now.

As evidence of this, I would ask the reader to consider what happened at the last Primates’ meeting. Indeed, as a ‘starter for ten’, I would ask if you can recall when it was held and where. (Answers: February, Alexandria.) The key outcome was the appointment of a team of Pastoral Visitors to act, in the words of the Archbishop of Canterbury, as “consultants in situations of stress and conflict” across the Communion (as if we still can’t admit what that really means).

The verdict of traditionalists involved in the conflicts in North America, however, is “too little, too late.”

But in any case, who is interested? Who cares? Who is getting excited by these attempts to address the issues that first gave rise to what is still being called the Windsor Process?

Compared with Dromantine or Dar es Salaam, the Alexandria Primates’ Meeting was a ‘fizzle’. There were no boycotts, there were no fireworks and, most importantly, there were almost no press. That is to say, those with an instinct for a story realized that there was ‘nothing to see here’.

Meanwhile, despite warnings to the contrary from earlier meetings, legal actions continue unabated in the United States, and in both the US and Canada, plans for integrating same-sex relationships and blessings into the theology and liturgy of the Anglican churches continues almost unabated.

In short, at the structural level in North America, the revisionist ‘Liberals’ have won.

They have called the bluff of the Communion as a whole, and they have simply by-passed the reconciling posture of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Knowing that, in the end, they can do what they like and get away with it they are, unsurprisingly, pressing ahead. If the election of a Buddhism-practising bishop can be accepted without a whimper both within TEC and beyond, then clearly the end of the moratorium on consecrating those in active gay relationships cannot be far off.

Looking at the ‘Thinking Anglicans’ website — a useful bellwether for these things — it is clear that no one really believes in the fight any longer. Not that the revisionists have given in, but rather that no one is really bothered. Eventually, and inevitably, TEC and the Anglican Church in Canada will resume ‘business as usual’ on the sexuality agenda. Indeed in my own view the Canadians are currently ahead of the Americans in this regard. Meanwhile, traditionalists have taken their own structural steps which mean that eventually their attention will have to return to the ‘mundane’ subjects of preaching, teaching and spreading the gospel. A church cannot live on controversy alone.

GAFCON was a great illustration of what global Anglicanism could have been, but there is no clear path ahead for the movement. The Nigerians want to get on with mission their own way, in their own backyard, as do those from Sydney, who are pressing ahead with their ambitious, but intensely demanding, outreach. Get-togethers are great, but they cannot provide the daily agenda.

And the truth is, since global Anglicanism is no longer the prize, there is nothing really left to fight over. And if there is nothing over which to fight, who will bother fighting? I don’t believe Dr Katharine Jefferts-Schori really gives a fig what Rowan Williams or anyone else thinks of her. In the end, TEC will become an increasingly independent body, at the centre of its own network. The global agenda for TEC will be the expansion of its influence in Africa, not the need to remain in Canterbury’s good books.

In North America, there will, for a time at least, be two competing ‘Anglicanisms’, one recognized by GAFCON/FCA, the other embraced by Canterbury and claiming the moral high-ground as the non-separatists. This will become a matter for sheer ‘economics’ — numbers and income deciding who is eventually left standing where. Much the same will happen in Canada.

The real question for us in these islands is what will happen here, and specifically what will happen in England. It is clear that Wales and Scotland are already realigning theologically with TEC/Canada. There are many who hope and expect that England will do the same.

The launch in this country later this year of the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans therefore has an urgent question to address, which is how to deal with the new situation of realpolitik. We are no longer looking to ‘save the Communion’. It is lost. The urgent question is whether we can save ourselves.

Revd John P Richardson
9 March 2009

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Sunday, 8 March 2009

How fast is average? How fast is safe?

Looking through the online papers this evening, my heart has been sinking over the news that the speed limit on 150,000 miles of our road network is to be reduced to 50mph, monitored by 'average speed' cameras. Much of this will include roads in rural areas, and since one of the pleasures of living and driving in such an area is not having to cope with 'speed humps' and 'safety cameras' (both somewhat oxymoronic), my irritated reaction was almost instinctive.

Yet in fact, I have frequently remarked on, and warned new arrivals of, the fact that driving round here is vastly more dangerous than driving in, say, London. Since arriving in 1999, I have taken the funerals of two parishioners killed in road accidents, we lost a further two church members (father and son) in a single crash, and there have been three fatal accidents (including the one that killed one of those I buried) within the boundaries of the benefice. On top of that, I could probably identify another half-dozen fatal accident sites within a five mile radius.

Compare this with the fact that when I lived in the East End of London for seventeen years I knew of just one fatal road accident in the immediate locality, and you can see that actually there really is a problem.

And speed is a key factor. The difference between driving in London and driving in rural Essex is that in London it is hard to get up enough speed to kill yourself, or even a pedestrian or cyclist, in a car accident. Since the average speed of traffic in London is something like 9mph, it is obvious that whilst the number of bumps and shunts may be high, the number of potentially fatal collisions is limited.

This, however, is due in large measure not to the proliferation of 'traffic calming measures' but to SWOT: sheer weight of traffic. The one thing, for example, that amuses me when I try to cross the Thames via the Blackwall Tunnel is that I regularly drive past one speed camera at a crawl, thanks to the queue of traffic which seems to be there day and night. I doubt whether it has flashed someone in a decade.

No, my irritation at the news about rural speed limits is not that speed doesn't matter, but that the proposed measures are not the answer, for two reasons.

First, speed, per se, is not the cause of accidents. The one accident I had in my last car occurred at about a mile an hour, when I backed over a steel post situated below eye-level. Nasty. On the other hand, the one time I came close to a serious accident in the same car was when I was going too fast into a bend. But I was driving well below the (60mph) speed limit.

Both these situations resulted not from 'breaking the speed limit' but bad luck in the first instance and bad driving in the second.

Speed is undoubtedly a critical factor in the seriousness of accidents. Kinetic energy increase geometrically with an increase in velocity. If you hit something at 60mph, it involves 4 times the energy of the same impact at 30mph. All that energy has to go somewhere, and you'd better be right with God if it has to go through you. So it is actually very important indeed not to drive too fast. But that is a matter primarily of good driving, defined by the old police driving manuals as essentially being always 'in the right place, at the right speed, in the right gear'.

But the second problem with the proposed scheme is the idea of monitoring these rural roads with average speed cameras. That works on a straight stretch of uninterrupted carriageway where there is nothing else to stop the driver bombing along at 80+. But how would it work on a rural road with bends?

The problem is simple: an average speed is just that - a sum of highs and lows, faster and slower. So what do you set on the speed camera? If you drive up the B1383 from Newport to Little Chesterford, you should at no point exceed 50mph. If you drive the same route at a constant speed of 50mph you are probably on a motorbike. If you manage it in a car at an average speed of 50mph, allowing for bends, you will have broken the law. If you manage it at a constant speed of 50mph in a car, you are probably a menace to yourself and to others.

One of my known fatal accident sites is on just that road, where a novice driver left the road approaching a bend and hit a brick wall. Almost certainly he was going too fast. But what mattered was how fast he was going then, not how fast he had been travelling on average.

On most rural roads your average speed must be lower than the speed limit if you drive within that limit. But how much lower will depend on the vehicle, the road conditions, the weather, the time of day, and so on. There is no one safe average speed.

By the same token, there will be a speed above which almost no-one could ever drive safely along the entirety of a particular route. But it would be nonsense to set that as the average 'limit'. Yet if you set the limit, let's say, just below that, this doesn't meant the result will be an outbreak of safe driving. It is perfectly possible, as I discovered, to be driving well within the speed limit and yet still be driving too fast for safety.

I am all in favour of observing the speed limit. But more than that, I'm in favour of safe driving, which means developing and practicing driving skills. So why don't we find a way of encouraging that?

Why not, for example, limit the number of passengers that can be carried by young drivers, since it is a proven fact that the more passengers there are, the more likely it is that there will be an accident?

Or what about a government-sponsored 10% per annum 'no claims' bonus, rising to 90% of the premium after nine years? It would be a good deal cheaper than 'safety cameras', and I reckon would do a great deal to encourage careful driving.

Or why not a 50% reduction in road tax for any car registered to a driver who has passed the Institute of Advanced Motorists' test, and who hasn't had an accident or any points on their license in the last three years?

What is needed is not more regulation but a 'safety' culture based on roadcraft. My own firm conviction is that the recent decline in safety on Britains roads is not because we are going faster (we are not). It is because we are driving worse.

John Richardson
8 March 2009

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Saturday, 7 March 2009

Buddhist Bishop fails to excite much here

Returning, for a moment, to 'business as usual in the Anglican Communion', The Episcopal Church (USA) has continued to act in ways that show its true colours (or should that be colors?) to anyone with 'ears to hear'. Back in February, the Diocese of North Michigan elected as their next Bishop a man who had also received "lay ordination" as a Buddhist.

In England that might still cause a few problems. In the TEC, apparently, it does not - or at least, not enough to make the powers that be in that organization think twice. Just to bring us up to speed, I've copied here various links provided by the Stand Firm website.

The sheer lack of real excitement about this over here is surely a sign that the frog of our own sensitivity to destructive heresy has long since been boiled, served up with garlic and washed down (probably with a nice Chianti).

JPR

Updated
See here.

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As predicted, there were many more blog posts on the Buddhist bishop election this past week.

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More Protests

-- Eddie Swain Writes the Standing Committee of Southern Virginia
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20812/

-- A Rector in the Diocese of Arkansas Writes
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20904/

-- Unease in South Dakota Over Buddhist Bishop-Elect
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20893/


More Posts From Other Denominations

-- From the Opinionated Catholic
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20730/

-- A Professor At Wheaton College: When Is a Church No Longer a Church?
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20731/

-- What the Buddhists Are Saying Over At New Buddhist
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20724/

-- A Video Log Response: A Truckie Gets It
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20777/

-- Roman Catholics Making Fun
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20726/

-- Gene Veith on a Buddhist Bishop
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20729/


More Anglican Posts

-- Get Religion: Zen and the art of Episcopal news
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20727/

-- The Living Church: Buddhist Bishop-Elect Composes Own Eucharistic Texts
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20860/

-- Standard Radical Liberal Fodder
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20733/


More Posts On Why Buddhism & Christianity Are Incompatible

-- Five Incompatibilities
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20757/

-- From Ignatius Insight: Catholicism and Buddhistm
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20728/

-- The Latest Thing In Syncretism
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20732/

-- Examining the Fundamental Differences
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20756/

-- Bishop Holds Buddhist Ordination
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20721/

-- Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20723/

-- "Oh Buddha This Is All We Need"
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20725/

-- Catholicism and Buddhism: Compatible Beliefs?
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/20722/

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Wednesday, 4 March 2009

Federal Vision and Baptism: insights or deja vu?

It seems I have spent the last 24 hours familiarizing myself with the views of the Federal Vision movement, and so far I have come to two conclusions.

The first is that I am not a ‘Federal Visionist’ (I think that is probably a better term than ‘Federal Visionary’).

The second is that I agree with several things that the Federal Vision movement stands for, according to the ‘Joint Federal Vision Statement’ signed by some of its lead thinkers.

In particular, I have a lot of sympathy with their views on baptism, though once again I do not agree entirely. However, I was especially struck by the fact that so much of it represented ideas that I, and many others, took on board in the 1970s under the tutelage of the Revd Colin Buchanan, then lecturer at St John’s Theological College, Nottingham, and later Bishop of Woolwich.

In the 70’s Buchanan wrote, and published as Grove Booklets, a number of seminal works on baptism, in particular A Case for Infant Baptism and, jointly with David Pawson, Infant Baptism under Cross-Examination.

Unfortunately, I have mislaid my copies of these, but I still have his booklet no. 61, One Baptism Once (Grove Books: Bramcote, Nottingham, 1978), which builds on the ideas in the other booklets and considers their implications for Evangelical pastoral practice.

A summary of this booklet will hopefully give an idea why I find much of what Federal Vision is saying about baptism to be unexceptionable.

In One Baptism Once, Buchanan addressed first the question of baptismal efficacy, observing that “In the New Testament baptism is (usually) treated as effecting what it signifies.” (4). He notes, however, that whilst this is a comfortable idea for ‘Catholics’, it has raised distinct problems. First, regeneration cannot be regarded as present where there is simply no evidence for this in the life of the believer. Secondly, “if faith brings justification, then logically baptism tout simple does not,” (for which we may see also the Anglican Catechism). Thirdly (which may be an extension of the first point), a person cannot be regarded as grafted into the living body of Christ if there is no life in the person (5).

However, though these might be valid objections, Buchanan felt that Evangelicals have adopted a number of unhelpful ‘strategies’:

1. Not wanting to know what scripture says.

2. Arguing that only baptism which actually includes the inward gift of regeneration and justification is ‘true’ baptism.

3. Interpreting the baptism references as applying to ‘Spirit’ baptism.

4. Denying the efficacy of infant baptism

5. Viewing baptism as a mere ‘token’ of conversion.

These strategies, he said, have impacted on Evangelical practice in a number of negative ways:

1. We feel we cannot know when a baptism is a ‘true’ baptism if it must (but may not) be accompanied by regeneration.

2. We may omit baptism if there are other ways in which it may be witnessed that we are converted.

3. We value baptism primarily for the experience it provides, and judge it by the strength of that experience.

Over against this, Buchanan insisted that we must distinguish between ‘efficacy’ and ‘validity’ (9), and whilst it might not be possible to say that a baptism was efficacious, it was always possible to say it was valid, provided that it involved “the administration of water on a person, with sufficient wording to establish that Christian baptism is intended’ (10). To this, Buchanan added only that we must take into account the context when we consider the administration.

A baptism would thus be valid, for example, irregardless of the state of the person being baptized. Otherwise, it would only be invalid in very limited circumstances, such as being administered by an heretical sect.

We should, furthermore, take full account of the biblical assumption that baptism is the norm for believers. Baptism in the New Testament, “is a constituent part of the gospel” and “is universally practised among Christians,” whereas “the New Testament knows nothing of the unbaptized Christian,” but rather “Baptism identifies people as Christians.”

The Christian church, he concluded, “has only one message for [the unbaptized], and it is this: ‘Here is water —repent and be baptized.’”

What, then, were the pastoral consequences? Buchanan was a keen advocate of a ‘baptismal discipline’ which would restrict baptism to the children of practising churchgoers. This is a suggestion, it must be noted, which the Church of England has strenuously resisted. We must also, he argued, firmly resist any requests for ‘rebaptism’ by those who have previously received a valid baptism. But he also noted the New Testament approach on preaching to the baptized:

We have to steer between the Scylla of assuring congregations that all is well because they have been baptized, and the Charybdis of denouncing the baptized on the grounds that their baptism will have deceived them into thinking all is well! It looks as though the Pauline method was to use the fact of his hearers having been baptized to gain leverage to procure their growth. In effect he said ‘You have been baptized into Jesus as Lord —now live for Jesus as your Lord’. It will be seen that this sort of approach neither offers false assurance, nor unnecessarily denounces baptism. It treats it positively, as the starting-point of the Christian life, and as the permanent reminder to the believer of what the Christian life implies. (23)

In a footnote, he added,

The point here is that the preacher should rarely be saying ‘You have been baptized, and much good it has done you’ ... If the nature of the faith-relationship with Jesus Christ, the incorporation into his body the church, and his expectations and call to a life of holiness, are all built upon the meaning of baptism (and they are all there in the New Testament passages on baptism), then not only is the leverage of the word most operative (because it is treating the fulcrum of baptism as secure), but also any who are converted this way will not be denouncing their baptism as having misled them, but rather rejoicing that it has now come to fruition.

This, it seems to me, is similar to, but rather more positive than, the ‘glass half-empty’ approach of Federal Visionism, which focuses more on the notion that the baptized* who do not practice their faith are ‘apostates’ (an expression with unfortunate resonances, given the present problems with conversion from Islam being defined as ‘apostasy’).

I am sure I am right in saying that, on the basis of his views on baptism, Buchanan was also an advocate of paedo-communion. (I hope someone will put me right if this is not the case.) Certainly that is a view I have long taken myself. This is thus another part of the Federal Vision viewpoint with which I find myself in broad agreement.

This analysis also raises, I believe, serious questions about our own ‘programmes’ of evangelism. Why is it that, when we reach the point of calling for commitment, no-one asks us, as the Ethiopian eunuch did of Philip, “Here is water, what is to prevent me from being baptized?” If people do not ask the same question, then we cannot be making the same presentation. And that surely means we must be doing something wrong.

Thus, although I do not share the Federal Vision view that the result of baptism is entry into the Covenant, I do share their ‘high’ view of baptism, and their criticism of some Evangelical attitudes, including those amongst Evangelical Anglicans.

But this leaves me even more confused as to why Federal Visionism is apparently such a touchy subject. I’m left wondering if part of the problem is simply that it has been made into a package — a ‘movement’ instead of a discussion about a number of diverse points.

Revd John P Richardson
4 March 2009

PS: I'm sorry about the title, but I had to come up with something quick.

* I had erroneously typed 'unbaptized' here in the first version.

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More on Federal Vision and Ecclesia Reformanda

I have now had a communication from one of the founders of Ecclesia Reformanda disputing David Anderson's take on things. He writes, "I can assure you that our stated aim is, in fact, our aim: to promote Reformed theology, and to respect the diversity that exists within the historic Reformed Tradition. We are emphatically NOT a "Federal Vision" journal."

He further adds, "It's worth noting that two of the authors in issue one are unsympathetic to the 'Federal Vision'," and concludes, "I'm not sure why David thinks he knows us better than we know ourselves. I'm also not sure what evidence he has for accusing us of lying about our intentions. But it's a bit irritating, and as you'll appreciate, for at least two of our contributors rather embarrasing, as he's associating them with something they'd explicitly repudiate."

Meanwhile, I am rapidly 'getting up to speed' on this issue, but am still baffled as to why it is all suddenly such a big deal (at least, here in the UK and, apparently, amongst Anglicans).

John Richardson

Updated 5 minutes later
I've just discovered (from a paper on this I've been sent) that, "The English word ‘covenant’ translates the Latin foedus, from which the English ‘federal’ is derived," hence the expression 'Federal Vision'. Or as we might say more plainly, 'Covenant Vision'. Does that make everything clearer?

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On the evils of internet anonymity

Do you send anonymous letters? Do you make anonymous phone calls to people? Do you leave abusive messages on their answerphone? Is your name Russell Brand or Jonathan Ross?

I hope the answer to all these questions is no. And I trust you would disapprove of anyone who did this.

Now let me phrase it differently. Do you post anonymous, or pseudonymous, comments on blogs? Have any of these comments ever been abusive, either of the blogger or of someone else?

Now let me ask a final question. What is the difference between you and the anonymous letter writer or telephone-caller?

One of the great sadnesses of the internet is that early on a slightly 'nerdy' culture of using nicknames - Gandalf, the Spamster or whatever - has become a very pernicious practice of people simply concealing their identity in ways which, if they were applied to other media, might result in legal action if the person were caught.

To be on the receiving end of anonymous abuse is always unpleasant. Abuse is one thing, anonymity is another, because there is a sense of vulnerability. It reminds me, personally, of the one time I was burgled. It wasn't the loss of a few bits and pieces that bothered me, it was the loss of security. Someone had violated my space, and I had no way of knowing who it was or how to prevent them simply coming back and doing it again.

Do the anonymous commenters realize this? And if theyt do, why do they it?

Let us call a spade. Abuse is evil. Anonymous abuse is even more so.

Think on.


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Tuesday, 3 March 2009

'Ecclesia Reformanda': plain Reformed or something else?

A couple of days ago I posted, by request, a link to a website for a new journal of "British Reformed Theology" to be called Ecclesia Reformanda. Being both British and Reformed, I was quite happy to do this (though it did cross my mind to wonder why we need a new journal at this point in time, especially since I know, from experience, how difficult it is to keep a journal going).

However, I have since received a communication pointing me to the blog run by David Anderson, which takes issue with the publicity for Ecclesia Reformanda, observing that, rather than simply being about 'Reformed' theology, the movement behidn it represents a particular strand called 'Federal Visionism'.

Now I have two confessions to make. The first is that this had entirely escaped my attention. But given David Anderson's observation that the publicity makes no direct mention of this, I won't feel too bad about that. Anderson comments, however, that in his view,

  1. The real purpose of this new magazine is to promote the "Federal Vision" theology of Douglas Wilson / Peter Leithart / Credenda/Agenda / Auburn Avenue etcetera in the UK.

  2. Yet for some reason the magazine's backers have decided to hide this fact.

  3. Not only have they decided it's best strategy to hide their real aim, they've also decided to present the "Federal Vision" as if it were mainstream British Reformed theology, which it is certainly not: not historically and absolutely not in the last 200 years or at the present day.
Perhaps more embarrassingly, I also have to confess that I know next to nothing about Federal Visionism (indeed, I'm not even sure that is the right word!). My first instinct, though is to wonder whether it has any significant parallels with Christian Reconstructionism.

I do know, though, that I might have been a bit more cautious about the link if I'd known there was an 'issue' here. In this case, I must offer the disclaimer that carrying an advertisement does not necessarily entail endorsement of the product.

Revd John Richardson

Updated 5 minutes later!
It seems my "first instinct" (see above) wasn't entirely off. Having posted this comment, I went to the Wikipedia article on Federal Vision (you have to start somewhere), where I read this:

Many of those who are involved in Federal Vision theology began in the Christian Reconstructionist movement until differences in methods and interpretations led to their exodus.
Now Reconstructionism is something I do know something about, having encountered it in the 1980s. Indeed, my views on usury and interest owe a lot to that period (though not much, now, to that theology). Reconstructionism was, I think, fundamentally flawed in its understanding of the impact of the gospel and on its implications for human living. (In fact I was getting rather heated earlier today in a discussion about Galatians in this regard, which I was saying had implications for our political views quite at odds with the contemporary political establishment.)

I suspect, therefore, this will not be my last post on the subject.

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Oxbridge obsession hinders Reform

A post with which I have some sympathy from another blog:

[...] Oxbridge is in fact a busted flush in terms of producing people capable of instigating counter-establishment change in other walks of life. Privilege and contacts of course enable entree into the liberal-dominated, opinion-forming institutions of our country, such as mainstream politics, academia, the legal profession, the arts, the liberal press and the BBC, but the scions of Oxbridge lack the hunger, the restlessness, the counter-cultural edge necessary for those capable of challenging the status quo.

That is why Reform, as a movement working for the Evangelical transformation of a liberal-dominated institution such as the Church of England, desperately needs to escape from its obsession with Oxbridge.

This obsession manifests itself in a number of ways. The large Reform churches remain dominated by Oxbridge-educated clergy and seem reluctant when vacancies become available to depart from that pattern, even though there are outstanding non-Oxbridge candidates available, who would in fact be capable of shaking these churches up. Perhaps that is why they are not appointed.

The excellently Evangelical theological college Oak Hill in north London still seems to struggle to attract Conservative Evangelical ordinands away from the Oxbridge colleges. Yes, Wycliffe Hall in Oxford has hugely improved under its rigorously Evangelical Principal Richard Turnbull, but what is the excuse for a Reform-supporting ordinand passing over Oak Hill for Ridley Hall in Cambridge?

This is not about justifying a theology of envy. ‘Chippiness’ is as bad for the Gospel and the cause of Reform as snobbery.

But the painful reality is that the liberal establishment of the Church of England will continue to sleep snugly at night in its episcopal palaces whilst Reform continues to wrap itself around with its Oxbridge scarf. Read more


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Monday, 2 March 2009

Karl Marx, prophecy and the wonderful power of the urban legend

Today in my meagre e-mail I received not one but two 'urban legend' posts - you know, like the one about the Vanishing Hitchhiker who, just before he disappears, says "Jesus is coming soon."

One I won't bother with, but the other was this great quote "ascribed to Karl Marx":
“Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism.” — Karl Marx, 1867, Das Kapital
Bang on - except that it just didn't 'smell' right. So I Googled it, and came up with this comment on Faux Marx (via another website):
It's been fifteen years since I read Das Kapital, and I'm not sure how much I retained even when I was young and hale. But it immediately set off my fake alarms. First, because it doesn't sound remotely like anything I remember Marx saying--his core thesis was that falling wages would immiserate the working class, not that they'd be done in by their overdrafts. Second, because I do remember Marx spending huge chunks of Das Kapital grousing about the inadequacy of the housing supply for the working class, in very tedious detail. (I now appreciate, as I didn't then, how valuable this is as a historic record. But it's quite something to wade through.) And third, because no one in 1870 imagined the working class having access to bank credit.
Read the rest, and you'll see it's highly unlikely Marx said anything like what was "ascribed" to him.

It would be fascinating to know who makes these things up. But at least we know who passes them on. That would be the rest of us!

What Marx apparently did say, quoted chapter and verse in a comment on the other website, is this:
"The credit system, which has its focal point in the allegedly national banks and the big money-lenders and usurers that surround them, is one enormous centralization and gives this class of parasites a fabulous power not only to decimate the industrial capitalists periodically but also to interfere in actual production in the most dangerous manner - and this crew know nothing of production and have nothing at all to do with it." - Marx, Capital, vol. 3, chap. 33
Now that's more like it!

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